For those of you in the UK, I will be presenting my most recent talk - "Disney Darkside" - at High Wycombe Paranormal Meet-Up Group this Wednesday (28th June 2017.) Here is an overview of the talk. "Disney is synonymous with wholesome values, memorable stories and films that will put a smile on the faces of all the family. But is there something far more sinister lurking beneath the surface of the “House of Mouse”? In this presentation, alternative knowledge researcher and author of the book “Science Fiction and the Hidden Global Agenda” will examine the long-known “dark side” of Disney – looking at its documented relationship with the military / industrial complex, and their use of embedded sexual and arcane symbolism, social engineering and fragmentation, alleged mind control programming, and so on. Carl will also recount how his research brought him into contact with a prominent Disney insider and how this contact set him off on an even darker investigation – one that involves the likes of J.J. Abrams, Star Wars, Saturn worship, energy, consciousness, transformation, and the very nature of reality. In asking the question – what are Disney really up to? – Carl may have uncovered a startling answer with implications for all of humanity."
The talk will begin at approx. 7.30pm and conclude approx. 11pm. The venue address is The Bricklayers Arms, High St, Downley, High Wycombe, Bucks, HP13 5XJ. Admission is £5. For more details, visit the High Wycombe Paranormal Meet Up Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/415462125205125/ or email the group organiser, Neil at neil@geddesward.co.uk You can also contact Neil on his FB page at Neil Pagan Artist.
Hope to see you there! Carl (The Truth Seeker's Guide)
Hi folks. I have recently published a new paperback book - "What Really Happened at the London 2012 Olympics". Here is an overview of the book:
"On July 6th 2005, London was awarded the 2012 Olympic & Paralympic Games. The following day, London was rocked by 7/7. For the next seven years, there were sustained suggestions of a possible "terrorist attack" or other type of “event” at London 2012. When The Games passed, it was assumed that nothing had happened. Yet something had been overlooked. At London 2012, the world was subjected to a ritualistic assault on mass human consciousness. In this book, alternative knowledge researcher Carl James charts the real story of the London 2012 Olympic & Paralympic Games. From announcement to completion. London 2012 is a bizarre and disturbing story of elite global agendas, state sponsored terrorism, social engineering, arcane symbols and occult practices... even the suggestion of rampaging zombies and visiting extra-terrestrials. What really happened at the London 2012 Olympics!?"
If possible, I would really appreciate it if you could repost this information via email, Facebook, Twitter or personal website. As always, many thanks to those of you who continually support all my efforts.
I will be presenting my most recent talk - "Disney Darkside" - at two venues over the next several weeks. For those of you interested in coming along, here is an overview of the talk. "Disney is synonymous with wholesome values, memorable stories and films that will put a smile on the faces of all the family. But is there something far more sinister lurking beneath the surface of the “House of Mouse”? In this presentation, alternative knowledge researcher and author of the book “Science Fiction and the Hidden Global Agenda” will examine the long-known “dark side” of Disney – looking at its documented relationship with the military / industrial complex, and their use of embedded sexual and arcane symbolism, social engineering and fragmentation, alleged mind control programming, and so on. Carl will also recount how his research brought him into contact with a prominent Disney insider and how this contact set him off on an even darker investigation – one that involves the likes of J.J. Abrams, Star Wars, Saturn worship, energy, consciousness, transformation, and the very nature of reality. In asking the question – what are Disney really up to? – Carl may have uncovered a startling answer with implications for all of humanity."
The first venue will be the High Wycombe Paranormal Meet-Up Group on Wednesday 28th June 2017. The talk will begin at approx. 7.30pm and conclude at approx. 11pm. The venue address is The Bricklayers Arms, High St, Downley, High Wycombe, Bucks, HP13 5XJ. Admission is £5. For more details, visit the High Wycombe Paranormal Meet up Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/415462125205125/ or email the group organiser, Neil, at neil@geddesward.co.uk You can also contact Neil on his FB page at Neil Pagan Artist.
The second venue will be the Truth Juice Hull group on Wednesday 12th July, 2017. The talk will begin at approx. 7.30pm. The venue address is The Walton Street Club, Walton Street, HULL, HU3 6JR. Admission costs and details are as follows: £5 Waged/ £3 Un-Waged / Donation / or whatever you can manage even if that is nothing. Truth Juice Hull is NON-PROFIT making and the venue is FREE. Lack of money will never be an issue with attending the talks. For more details, visit: http://hull.truthjuice.co.uk/index.php/2017/04/carl-james-in-hull-on-120717/ or email truthjuicehull@yahoo.co.uk
I hope to see you there! All the best, Carl (The Truth Seeker's Guide)
I just wanted to remind folk about the most recent work of
Richard D. Hall and Richplanet TV. I wanted to cover this material several
weeks back. Unfortunately, I have been snowed under with my own research and
work of late. I will be updating you all with the fruits of my labour in the
next day or two. I managed to attend Richard's most recent Richplanet 2017
"Fake Reality" Tour in Birmingham a couple of months ago and it was,
unsurprisingly given the amount of work that Richard puts into his research,
talks and films, an excellent and enlightening event. Richard covered a myriad
of subjects at the event. I did try to keep some basic notes on the subjects
covered but I lost track of this when I became so engrossed in the material!
There were several real "standout" aspects to the presentation that
are worth mentioning. Richard looked at length at fakery and misdirection in
the media and gave some shocking examples to ponder over. Following on from his
previous films about the Madeleine McCann mystery, Richard also announced the
release of his latest films. The pieces attempt to tackle the most difficult
questions of all. Assuming Madeleine died, which Richard firmly believes is the
case, how did she die? and why was the death covered up with the help of
British government agencies? All parts of the two films can be viewed at the
following links:
To check out Richard's previous films on the Madeleine McCann
subject visit http://www.madeleinefilms.net/The films can also be watched on the Richplanet YouTube
channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQwCjFkhLbdpsu1xUDm7oGA/feed Please try, if you can, to support Richard's ongoing
research by purchasing his dvds. The latest Madeleine McCann films
(collectively titled Madeleine : Why The Cover Up?) are available for £12.00.
The DVD box set consists of two 90 minute films. The first film examines the
movements of the initial suspect in the case, Robert Murat, both immediately
before and after Madeleine was reported missing and attempts to shed light on
whether he played a role in the cover up of Madeleine’s alleged death. http://www.richplanet.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=265 A real standout aspect of the Richplanet 2017 Tour (as it is
a subject very close to my heart) was Richard's shocking revelations about
NASA's Apollo 11 historical fakery / disinformation campaign. Richard once
again secured the services of the highly respected expert in statement analysis
(American Peter Hyatt) whom he utilised to reveal "embedded
confessions" in a 2011 mainstream media interview given by Kate and Gerry
McCann. Peter Hyatt analyses "[speech], the process involves deciding
which tense to use, which words to select and what order to put them in. This
happens in a fraction of a second. If somebody is constructing sentences from
their experiential memory, the process follows particular patterns, which can
be identified. If a person is fabricating when they speak, the cognitive
process of choosing words is interrupted, because the mind must censor and
insert artificial information in a very short time period. Language of somebody
who is fabricating is therefore different and can be identified." This time, Richard employed Peter Hyatt to use his skills to
analyse an interview with Apollo 11 "astronaut" Neil Armstrong -
conducted and filmed in the immediate period after NASA "Apollo 11"
era. Peter Hyatt's conclusions were shocking, if not unsurprising. It appears
that Armstrong was being deceptive / dissembling about his "Apollo 11
experiences". What is particularly noteworthy is that Hyatt explained to
Richard that he had no real interest in the notion of NASA / Apollo fakery and,
like many people, believed the "official" narrative of Apollo 11. The
insight he gained from this analysis shocked him thoroughly. Hopefully, Richard
will put this information together on his website or as a film or show of
Richplanet TV as I feel this information (as with all his other research) needs
to reach the widest possible audience.
Richard has recently released a light hearted "On the
Road" video of his experiences during the 2017 Tour. I was really pleased
to be asked by Richard if I would film a short interview (whilst at the Birmingham
venue) for inclusion in this video. You can view this video at the following
link. RICHPLANET 2017 Tour, video "on the road" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MwBOaY6tqo
Richard has now released a 4 DVD Box Set of the 2017 Tour
(priced £14.00) - available at the following link:
http://www.richplanet.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=277 The boxset (filmed in Merthyr Tydfil, 13th April 2017) is
region free (Format PAL 16:9 / 200 minutes) and presents the 3 hours of the
tour presentation. Here is an overview "The lectures expose mainstream
medias fake reality and how it creates fake news in order to hide the most
important questions and facts. This includes an introduction to Richards latest
Madeleine film "Madeleine : Why the Cover Up?", and some opinion on
the sheer breadth to which mainstream media is being used to cover up the truth
about Madeleine. A VERY big state secret must be being protected. The lectures
contain some research into the Bridgend suicides with some shocking insights.
Peter Hyatt surprises himself when he analyses a 1970 interview given by Neil
Armstrong and his alleged experience of walking on the moon. Richard also
continues with his research into NATO and its alleged involvement in the
targeting of UFOs. Many other subjects and issues are discussed." The Box
Set also includes the aforementioned "On the Road" film.
My thanks to Richard for all his ongoing efforts. His work
is always relevent, thought-provoking, thoroughly investigated and done so for
all the right reasons. Long may Richplanet TV and all Richard's hard work
continue!
Below, I have reposted a detailed and important article - written by researcher Andrew Johnson. This article is important not only with regards to the ongoing study of the Starchild Skull, but also as a stark reminder of what unfortunately sometimes happens in multiple arenas of the realm of study of what is proverbially termed alternative knowledge research. My deepest appreciation to Andrew for taking the time to put together what must have been a difficult piece to write. What matters is that the evidence he has assembled appears to (sadly) speak for itself. This matter really does seem to echo what happened with aspects of the so-called "9/11 Truth Movement" / limited-hangout. Please take the time to read this valuable article and follow all the links (highlighted in blue text) to the evidential sources. Carl (The Truth Seeker's Guide.)
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23 May 2017
For those people who don’t know about the so-called Starchild Skull, please watch this 17 minute fact-packed video.
I first learned about the so-called Starchild Skull in about 2003 and less than a year later, I met and befriended Lloyd Pye and helped him transfer some 35mm slides into a Powerpoint file. Over the next 9 years, we met many times and he came to stay at my house at least twice, when I organised talks for him in Nottingham (2009) and Derby (2012). Amazingly, he also attended at least 3 of my talks – in London (2005), Gravesend, UK (2012) and the same Derby event in 2012. In 2004, he visited me with Amy, whom he was later to marry, after they moved back to the USA in 2005.
Once again, I find myself in the uncomfortable position of having to document deeply troubling developments in a field of research. I will examine and unpick deeply troubling attempts to introduce doubt about the Starchild Skull and Lloyd Pye himself.
If you don’t want to read all of the text below, simply spend about 2 hours listening to these next 2 recordings. A comparison should clearly highlight the main problems which I attempt to analyse in detail below.
Melanie Young - The Starchild Skull - 2014 Border Zone UFO Conference – 40:53
Melanie Young, RN - 1/2 - The Starchild: DNA Testing and the Story Behind the Story – 62:15
Are the 2 presentations by the same person? Read on, if you wish.
Lloyd Pye – My Friend
Lloyd was a great friend with whom I was in regular contact and I was extremely upset to hear of his death from Lymphoma Cancer in Dec 2013. I still think of him daily. Lloyd was always generous with his time and his attention and, privately, he was also generous with his praise and gratitude for whatever assistance I and others gave him. In 2003, I knew that what he was doing was very important and we shared the common goal of revealing important truths and knowledge, of the type that many people didn’t want to hear or understand.
The last time I saw Lloyd was on 18 Sept 2013, when he showed me the Starchild Braincasts. At that time, he told me more about a new development with the Starchild project. Lloyd explained that some months previously, he had gone to see a business man, based in Tampa Florida, called Matthew Brownstein. Matthew was going to try and help Lloyd to develop skills for raising funds for the research into the Skull, as Lloyd felt he had not been very successful at this. Mr Brownstein himself became acutely interested in the skull and started to do his own research. At this time, Lloyd and others were attempting to raise further funds for ongoing DNA testing and analysis which, for the previous 3 years or so, had been undertaken on a voluntary basis by an anonymous geneticist in the USA. The geneticist had the permission of the company he was working for to do this research, but the company, too, wanted to remain anonymous at that time.
At our last meeting, in Sept 2013, Lloyd explained to me that Matthew Brownstein, following his own research, proposed that they form an agreement and a company as a vehicle for furthering the goals of the Starchild Project. Although Lloyd didn’t go into minute detail about the agreement, he did tell me of the formation of an agreement between himself, Amy (his ex-wife), Ray and Melanie Young and Matthew Brownstein. The reasons I am explaining this will become clear below.
I find this whole article difficult to write because I have to write about 2 people whom I thought would share the same goals as Lloyd and myself – to talk about evidence and reveal truths. However, the statements documented below essentially prove they now want to insert doubt and/or attempt to discredit years of research for which many sacrifices were made.
The So-called “Veritas” Show
Some readers will know of a subscription-based podcast/internet radio talk show called The Veritas Show which has been “on the web” since 2009, with all shows hosted by Mel Fabregas. He set up the show following his discovery of the Milton Torres UFO-shootdown case and his wish to interview Torres. As a previous guest on the programme myself (in 2010 and 2016), I did consider contacting Mel Fabregas before posting this article, but decided against doing so, due to the extreme nature of the statements which I have documented below. I suppose I will just have to resign myself to the possibility that Mel Fabregas will post an hour-long tirade against me, as Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice radio chose to do in 2013, when I posted a similar critique of his failure to point out errors in statements guests were making about 911 evidence. Or, maybe Mel Fabregas will “do the right thing” and include an update on his website, pointing out the errors and false statements made in the interview which I am analysing here.
“Veritas” and The Starchild: DNA Testing and the Story Behind the Story
On 19 May 2017, I received a Veritas email update announcing the interview with Starchild Skull Owner Melanie young. The description seemed to have some slight errors, so I was already slightly troubled. That is, it said
Testing has revealed that both skulls were from individuals who had Native American DNA, but from different tribes.
This was information that I remembered being correct in 2003, but later testing revealed a rather more complex situation. Why didn’t Melanie Young, owner of the skull, know this?
I spent quite some time carefully listening to the interview and transcribed parts of it (timings given below are approximate). This was an uncomfortable process, knowing what I know about Lloyd Pye and the Starchild Skull Evidence. (I have recently started to give talks about the Skull, because I had copies of most of the slides Lloyd Pye used in his talks. I had these copies because I helped Lloyd on several occasions and hosted talks by him, as mentioned above.)
The interview runs for just over 2 hours, but the 2nd hour is only available to subscribers (which is kind of ironic, as you will read, below). A friend kindly donated a 3-month Veritas subscription to me, which enabled me to listen to the 2nd hour. In my analysis below, I will be “jumping around” a little, across the 2 hours, in order to point out some problems/errors I found. If you’re going to accuse me of cherry-picking statements etc, you’re going to have to listen to the whole thing, aren’t you?
Melanie Young, Who’s She?
As mentioned above, Melanie Young owns the Starchild Skull - she had met with Lloyd Pye in 1999 and handed over the unusual skull to him, because of his expertise in hominoids. Young confirms this account in the first hour. She also states she is a UFO/Abduction experiencer – even to the point of stating she has had “hybrid alien children.” She herself acknowledges that because of this, some people do question her sanity (but I, personally, do not judge her on this issue – as there are others who have described very similar and deeply troubling experiences).
You can listen to the first hour of the interview here:
Young and Fabregas discuss the story of the Skull and at 1:58 into the interview Mel Fabregas says:
“I didn’t know [about] your name!”
The way that Mel Fabregas said this was odd to me - as if he was trying to say that Lloyd Pye had tried to keep Melanie’s identity a secret. This seemed to be confirmed by the discussion which took place at about 28:23.
MY: He had no life but fringe science [MY talks about her business and family life]
MY: I stayed out of the way.
MF: You did to the point I didn’t know who you were!
MY: Most people don’t know who I am and most people don’t know that I own it and even the people involved in the project attempted to take the ownership away from me.
Before dealing with this remark, I will make one comment on what she said after the above:
So it’s been interesting since Lloyd’s passing on trying to get me out there for people to understand the story behind the story and to get the correct information because the correct information isn’t out there. Except for since I came on the scene about a year ago. Lloyd did not tell the truth.
This is a direct attack on Lloyd Pye’s reputation and is clearly meant to insert doubt. Listeners can make up their own minds as to whether they think that Mel Fabregas, champion of Veritas, challenges these statements in any way – or comes up with any of the points of rebuttal to what Melanie Young says. There are some points that Young makes that Mr Fabregas should have known were wrong/untrue/misleading. Please read on.
[EDIT: 25 May 2017 - I noted that Melanie said "I came on the scene about a year ago". She was giving public talks in 2014 and 2015 - she didn't just start doing this in 2016. However, 2016 is when Chase Kloetzke came on the scene. Is this a "different Melanie" talking, then, do you think?]
The theme of Melanie Young being marginalised was revisited in the 2nd hour when she said, regarding Matthew Brownstein:
He thought he was going to take up the torch but there was no way I was not going to be in the forefront again –you were not going to push me to the back of the pack.
The overriding impression I got is that Melanie Young was trying to say that the other members of the Starchild Project team (including Lloyd Pye) had tried to minimise and downplay her role and take away attention from her. What was really galling is that I knew Lloyd Pye had never done this and, when given the time, he had always clearly stated that Ray and Melanie Young were the owners of the skull. He said this at least in 2007 (3 mins 50 into this interview with the Paracast), 2008 (10 mins in) and 2009 – at the Nottingham Presentation I organised and recorded – note the photo on the screen (approx 9 mins 42 in). Interested people can find many many more examples of Lloyd Pye’s interviews where he mentions her name. For Mel Fabregas not to know her name in relation to the skull must mean that he hadn’t listened to the story of the skull very closely, or he had a poor memory or he was deliberately misleading people over this issue.
Going back to Melanie Young’s abduction experiences, at 25:00 in hour one, she stated:
When I found Lloyd he was very clear that he did not want me talking about my abduction experiences. He did not want me doing anything with abductions and… related to the Starchild. …. To him it was like a battlefield.
In parallel with furthering the research goals of the Starchild Project, Lloyd Pye had discussed other aspects of his research which seem to indicate that an off-world influence has been at work in the development of homo sapiens. This “Intervention Theory”, for example, is discussed in his ebook. I bring this up, because in hour 1, at 26:58, Young states:
MY: I just felt that comfortable with him. I did not know what his agenda was going to be. And his agenda all along has been to prove that aliens have interfered with our growth on this planet that we have been genetically manipulated. That’s what he wanted to prove with the skulls.
MF - Isn’t that contaminating some of the research with your own - I don’t want to say pre-conceived notions… Isn’t that providing some of your biases?
MY - Yes, so correct.
This was a peculiar comment – suggesting that Lloyd wanted to use the Starchild Skull to “prove himself correct” about Intervention theory. Whilst this may even have been true at one time, it was still a peculiar comment – because it came from a woman who stated she had hybrid children! (That is, someone who had been on the receiving end of alien intervention.)Fabregas seems to “join in” with this criticism of Pye, which is also inappropriate, as we shall see.
In reality, it appears Lloyd was more interested in gathering evidence about the Starchild Skull than proving his intervention theory was true. Again, if Melanie Young had personally experienced “interference” by aliens, wouldn’t she, too, want to see her experiences validated by additional evidence?
As was saw above, Lloyd did talk about alien hybrid children – at least until 2009, but then, in 2010, more DNA evidence was given to him. Following this, Lloyd clearly stated that it looked as if the Starchild Skull was not a hybrid. In his lectures, he describes how new DNA evidence changed his conclusions about the “hybrid” scenario. Both Melanie Young and Mel Fabregas entirely failed to mention this (another reason for me writing this article.)
“Don’t Speak Ill of the Dead” – They’re Just After Money…?
This is one of those phrases that, when it is uttered, you can guess that the person making this statement is going to go against their own advice/statement. In hour 1, at 29:35 this peculiar exchange takes place:
MF:There’s a saying that goes like this “Don’t speak ill of the dead..”…… A lot of researchers and me were invited to a private meeting in Pennsylvania…
MY: … with Paul…
MF:Yes, I also saw a presentation at UFO congress in 2011 or 2012 and please people don’t criticise me for what I am about to say… but I couldn’t stay there for the entire time… because at one point I felt it was almost like an infomercial trying to collect thousands and thousands of dollars. Every other sentence had to do with “donate to this” and I understand if you need to conduct a DNA test and you don’t have the funds and you go out there and try to get them. But the amount of money being requested was enormous and I don’t know about you, but how much does a DNA test cost?
This was also extremely peculiar – not just because they were talking about a closed meeting of researchers and were clearly being cagey about the details, but also because Mel Fabregas had already been told, in some detail, about the cost of the DNA tests in his own interview with Matthew Brownstein, conducted shortly after Lloyd’s tragic death. What exactly is the problem Mr Fabregas is trying to solve here?
The “money theme” is returned to several times in this interview, but the way the costs have been incurred or changed over the years is never properly discussed with accurate detail. For a more detailed summary, refer to the already referenced interview with Matthew Brownstein, or the one given on Red Ice Radio by Amy Vickers (whom Melanie Young attacks at several points in the interview. I will leave the listener to make up their own minds about these remarks, once they find them. I would strongly argue that it is Amy’s name that is the least well-known by those who are familiar with the Starchild Skull.)
Money and Ownership of the Skull
Mel Fabregas further criticises Lloyd and the Project’s fundraising efforts at about 30:50 in Hour 1, stating:
Why do you need 100’s of thousands of dollars to continue an operation where some of the titles that I saw including one – who I interviewed a few years ago I am not gonna name the names folks you can google it within our website - he is the last person who came on board. Chief operating officer – things along those lines. Why do you need all this corporate board of director in such a fashion that in order to keep that operation going it almost looks like the muscular dystrophy association collecting funds every year.
Again, why won’t he even mention Matthew Brownstein’s name? Melanie Young does! What is the objective here? Later, Fabregas has to acknowledge, that Melanie Young was involved in the formation of a company. In the 2nd hour, they discuss the formation of the Starchild Project Company/agreement. At 2:55 in another peculiar exchange, they say:
MF: Do you now regret having given Lloyd the Starchild Skull
MY: No, the only thing I regret is signing any legal papers with the other members of the team.
MF: Oh you did sign some legal papers?
MY: Yes, towards the end of Lloyd’s life, after he was diagnosed with Lymphoma – or right before – within the last 6 months. When Matthew Brownstein came into the picture that’s when they decided we needed to have a business in order to get funders to get investors so that’s when they took it to a lawyer he drew up paperwork on the operating agreement OK so they developed 2 companies. One I totally understood and it was about funding the research. The 2nd one was explained to me that it was making sure everyone knew I was the owner but I was giving them sole permission to do the research.
MF: Oh my goodness so you were basically relinquishing your rights
MY: I didn’t understand that I was relinquishing my rights but what really happened was I relinquished ownership.
MF: Which was worse
MY: Which was worse. And again this was stuff that was pretty much forced down my neck because it had to be done and they had a time table and I was not given enough time to take it to a lawyer I trusted or I knew.
The idea of Melanie Young being forced into an agreement and given a time limit seems ridiculous. In any case, this agreement has now been dissolved! A little later in this discussion, Mel Fabregas again collaborates in trying to paint the original team members in a bad light:
MF: Even without those legal documents, they were in possession of the skull for many years, correct?
MY: For 3 years.
MF: So possession is 9/10 of the law so if they were in possession of that skull, and you didn’t have any you didn’t have any legal documentation stating it was yours, how could you prove that it was yours and I am surprised you got it back. I am glad
My understanding of this situation, from knowing Lloyd personally is this. When Lloyd was lecturing originally, and also taking the skull around to various experts, he was in possession of the original skull. At some point, however, he realised this wasn’t a good idea – as it became clear it was very unusual and needed to be kept safe. At this point, an expensive replica was made by a company “Bones Clones” and that is what he carried around with him. So, I assume from this, that the real skulls were returned to Melanie Young in about 2002 (as in 1999 + 3 years). So, Mel Fabregas appears to be conspiring with Young to promote the idea that Young did not have possession of the skull for “many years” when in actuality, she had possession of it all the time. If you listen closely, you will hear discussion of the skull’s teeth, which were used for DNA testing. Hence, I am highly sceptical of Young’s story of picking the Skull’s up from Matthew Brownstein in Tampa (and no specific dates are given). The “I am surprised you got it back” statement from Fabregas can only be meant to cast the original project members in a bad light, suggesting they would try to keep possession of the skull against Young’s wishes. This is clearly a ridiculous suggestion, when it seems Young had the skulls all the time!
At around 6:50, Mel Fabregas says:
Are you sure you have the real one?
That is, he suggests, Melanie might not have been given the real one back. Again, Fabregas shows a lack of knowledge here – because the real skulls have had segments of bone cut out of them for the testing – the replicas do not have these cuts. It would be totally clear if Young was given a “replica skull.” However, Young then says:
MY: Oh the other one I have too. I know I have the real one because the copy has been destroyed.
Wow – why destroy a copy? I have my own copy here and it wasn’t cheap! Young then talks about having a museum quality cast made – but for what purpose, when she already had a good quality copy?
[EDIT: 25 May 2017 - I think she (or someone) probably destroyed the first copy - this was the best one and, I understand, it was made BEFORE portions of bone were removed for DNA testing - and I think the first "Bones Clones" copy was used to make the Brain Casts.]
The theme of money and ownership is returned to several times during the interview, with both of them trying to give the impression that Melanie Young was “taken for a ride” by disingenuous people. This is extremely upsetting. Why on earth would Melanie Young be associated with such people for over 15 years, without any such statements from her? Perhaps we will find part of the answer to this question later.
Age of the Skull
At several points in the interview, Young makes comments about the age of the skull at death. For example at about 41:07 in hour 1, she states:
All of the experts say it’s 5 years old the only ones that say it’s more than that is Lloyd and Amy. But all of the experts say it’s a 5 year old child.
This statement is false in both parts. The evidence regarding whether the skull was that of an adult or a child is inconclusive. This is clearly stated on Starchild Project.com website in Dr Ted Robinson’s report:
17. A detached upper right maxilla contains two molars [recent note: one has been lost to testing]. Tooth wear on the molars indicates maturity was reached, yet another set of teeth are present in the maxilla and appear ready to take the place of those mature teeth when and if they are lost or are no longer useful. The question of age at death remains open.
Various experts are named on this page and so Young’s statement about “all the experts” is false. Why is she, as owner of the skull, contradicting what was on the project website for years? Why is Mel Fabregas not familiar with this?
DNA Evidence/Update
At several points in the interview, there is discussion of DNA evidence – but some of the statements are vague and/or incorrect. The 2nd set of DNA tests were done in 2003 by a company called Trace Genetics (which was later absorbed into another company). Lloyd discussed all of this in his lectures. Young also tries to present the impression that the Starchild Project have hidden data and reports. A couple of statements Young made stand out at 7:57 in hour 2 she states, weirdly:
MY: I never saw a report from Trace. All you ever saw in reality when you went to see one of Lloyd’s presentations were screenshots or photoshopped pictures -
MF: Right
This statement is also false, as we shall see, and the remarks immediately following are also made to paint Lloyd Pye and Amy Vickers in a bad light. (Fabregas again conspires in making these remarks.)
In hour 2, Young makes further remarks about the 2003 Trace Genetics Report. At 9:21 she states
So when we started this new independent investigation with Chase, all of a sudden, the 2003 report from Trace Genetics shows up on the website. On the project website. Even though for the last year, I had been begging Amy for reports. She would never give them too me. She would always say “they’re in the book or they’re online”
The results for the nuclear DNA feasibility test were positive. There is sufficient nuclear DNA detected for future testing opportunities.
As stated by Melanie Young in the interview, the mtDNA results agree with those carried out 14 years ago and since the original 2003 tests, nuDNA (nuclear DNA) was recovered in further tests, as Lloyd described in his presentations between 2010 and 2013. Hence, the March 2017 report appears to contain no new information. In the interview, Melanie Young implies that further results were due in April or May 2016 (by my estimation). Mel Fabregas states near the end of hour 2 of the interview that he would record an additional short conversation about the results, if they became available. No discussion was included and neither is anything newer than 28 Mar 2017 posted on Melanie Young’s Website, that I was able to find.
At other points in the interview, both Young and Fabregas question why it’s taken so long for DNA tests to be done and a figure of 20 years (elapsed time) is mentioned by Fabregas (at about the 23 minute mark of hour 2) – disregarding the earlier discussion of the Trace Genetics 2003 test – which is covered in depth in Lloyd’s lectures, as already stated.
Young makes further remarks around the 24:20 mark (Fabregas assists) which appear to be an attempt to discredit the (anonymous) geneticist that has been doing the research for free since 2010.
MY:People found Lloyd on line and offered to help and the scientist found Lloyd and said that he could do the testing for free in his spare time at the lab he was working for so we went that route and he found weird stuff but nothing he could substantiate and he would not put his name on it.
So when Lloyd passed and I started really looking into it because no one else was doing anything. I tried to pick up the torch.
I started looking into this guy he’s not a geneticist – he’s a virologist used to work for the CDC – probably really good in his field – but he had no clue how to do human genome – nor did the lab he was working for.
We wasted time because he was willing to do it for free.
MF: Yeah but do what if he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
It appears one of the objectives of this interview is to discredit the original investigation. It is so hard to believe that this would be the case, as the person being interviewed is the very same one that “kicked off” the whole “quest” back in 1999. However, at the end of hour 1 of the interview, Young makes the following staggering statement:
You go to the Starchild Project.com all of their information is old and not true. I don’t like to speak ill of anybody but their website has changed so much since chase and I started the new investigation that they basically are mirroring what we’re finding. So what you have seen in the past is no longer on that website – they’ve changed it completely. But they definitely are misleading on their website.
Chase Kloetzke and mine are totally scientific in nature – mine’s a little bit more story telling and that’s www.starchildmelanieyoung.com
Now, it is quite easy for anyone to compare the 2 websites and it should, very quickly, become clear that there is a lot of information on www.starchildproject.com and not very much at all on the www.starchildmelanieyoung.com site (so the “mirroring” claim is also bogus). Being slightly facetious, and taking Young’s statement literally, that all information on the Starchild Project website is “old and not true,” doesn’t that mean that she is not really the owner of the skull and has, in fact, never been associated with the skull? (She did say all of the information is “not true”.) So here again, we have a ridiculous statement – she never really states which specific information is untrue and cannot be true. Her sweeping statement if taken literally, discredits her own story/account.
Early on in the investigation, it was deduced this skull was not that of a hydrocephalic. This explanation is the one sceptics and debunkers immediately “go to”. Lloyd Pye, and others (including myself) have gone to some lengths to show that hydrocephaly cannot explain the skull’s shape and form. Indeed, Melanie Young herself, in a 2009 interview with Bill Burns (Blackboard) and others in the “UFO Hunters Team” was asked about Hydrocephaly and confirmed the skull could not have been from a hydrocephaly victim:
MY: If it were a hydrocephalic, this would be bulged out (pointing) but only one side would be bulged out, or the back would be bulged. It wouldn’t be symmetrical like that is.”
BB: So a hydrocephalic skull is asymmetrical
MY: asymmetrical…
BB: This skull is symmetrical…
MY: …is completely symmetrical
MY: If that were hydrocephalic, the bones would not be connected. The would be no skull
So, then, what possessed Melanie Young to say, at 20:26 in hour 2 of the Mel Fabregas interview:
MY: I am not ruling out Hydrocephaly any more – I was at the beginning – because I bought into Lloyd – but I am not gonna rule that out – now that I’ve looked at it and ye know….
Again here, we see her implying that Lloyd Pye persuaded her. However, she had previously implied or even stated that it was her knowledge of human anatomy – and deformities in infants – which had shown her the form of the skull was not the result of hydrocephaly.
Shortly after this incredible statement, Young discusses Dr Aaron Judkins (an archaeologist who lead a dig for evidence of Noah’s Ark) and states:
Aaron Judkins is the only one to go on record claiming it’s not hydrocephaly
This statement is also untrue. Point 8 in Dr Ted Robinson’s report on the Starchild Project website:
8. Dr. Bachynsky noted that there is no evidence of erosion of the inner table of the skull. Such erosion would be consistent with a diagnosis of hydrocephaly, so this condition can safely be ruled out as a cause of the abnormalities expressed. Hydrocephaly also causes a widening of the sutures, again not expressed here. There was consensus agreement to both of these observations by other experts conversant with these features.
Why is Melanie Young making these false claims? Is it me “seeing things” where there is really nothing unusual?
Chase earned her Master Trainer, Master Instructor title while employed with the Department of Defense. Armed with a Bio-mechanical Engineer accreditation, she was responsible for designing specialized programs and the supervision of complete success regarding Force Readiness, unique mission responsibilities and Elite Force Protection.
This information seems rather vague to me – is there anything which indicates she has a good knowledge of human anatomy, osteology, genetics or other related fields? So, Melanie Young criticised a geneticist (or virologist) working, gratis, in a lab intermittently for several years – and was supplying real data, but she is uncritical of some person that has recently come on the scene, has disclosed connections to the US military and lacks any obvious credentials to help with the investigation of the Starchild Skull? Is it me?
Conclusion
In this analysis, I have tried here to be dispassionate, but it is difficult here, due the involvement of my late friend Lloyd Pye and because I know about the evidence being discussed. As with 911 evidence, I have spoken about it publicly, many times and the same sort of attacks have been made on the evidence and the “messengers”.
In Nov 2015, I wrote to Melanie Young enclosing a link to a booklet (36 MB download) I had produced to accompany the talk(s) I was giving about the Skull. This booklet was basically a total rip-off of the information either produced by Lloyd Pye or posted on the Starchild Project Website. If you work through this booklet, and through the 2017 Fabregas/Young interview, it should serve to further illustrate how bizarre the whole interview was.
Melanie Young did actually write back to me on 05 Nov 2015 saying:
Thank you for your support. you have done a great job on your pamphlet. It is very well written. I know I couldn’t done a better [job] myself. I appreciate anything you could do to help me pick up were Lloyd left off. I owe it to him for everything he has done for me.
So, from reviewing this, as I just have, it appears that something happened to Melanie Young after Nov 2015, because her comments in the Mel Fabregas interview don’t seem to tally at all with the Nov. 2015 email, above. To provide further evidence that something serious has happened to her, I found an audio of Melanie Young’s presentation at the 25 Jan 2014, Border UFO conference, in Texas. Here, she is in complete agreement with all the research on the Starchild Project Website and reports on it 100% accurately. She also has trouble describing what happened to Lloyd Pye and her overall demeanour makes her sound like a different person – speaking in a clear and concise manner. This is also the case with her presentation on 21 April 2015 at the Ozark UFO conference, where we can here her accurately discussing the DNA evidence.
I ask the question then, what has caused Melanie Young, in April or May 2017 to lie about Lloyd Pye and smear or attempt to smear other members of the Starchild Project team? Why did Mel Fabregas assist in this process – when he had previously interviewed Matthew Brownstein and had previously met Lloyd Pye. He did not challenge anything Melanie Young said and did not bring up any of the points I have made in this article.
From the discussion, analysis and checking that I have written about above, I conclude here that the Fabregas/Young interview served one or more of the following purposes:
·It was an attempt to discredit the previous investigation work.
·Wind the clock back 18 years, by re-presenting the disproved theory that the Starchild Skull is that of a hydrocephalic child.
·Introduce doubt about the reputation of Lloyd Pye and/or attack him.
·Introduce doubt about the reputation of other Starchild Project team members.
·Focus on funding/money issues, and imply the project was/is all a money-grabbing scam (ironically, some of this discussion is in an interview recording which sits behind a “pay-wall”)
Based on previous analysis of similar issues, I will now switch to some speculation. The skull is now in the possession of Chase Kloetzke, who will either not publish any results which go beyond what was known by 2012, or she will publish results which attempt to contradict or discredit the research done up to that point. The video of Kloetzke, posted on Melanie Young’s site (referenced above), shows no images of the skull, gives no new information and gives no real clue as to what precise expertise Kloetzke has to further the analyse and investigate the skull. Perhaps the overall intent was to encourage those who have worked so hard to reveal the truth about the skull to “give up and walk away.” Didn’t quite work, did it…?
